'Supergirl' 1×10 Roundtable: Discussing 'Childish Things'

Every week, Fangirlish writers will be discussing new episodes of Supergirl and sharing their thoughts, feelings, and speculation about the hour’s hot topics in a little something we like to call Fangirlish Roundtables.
Today, we’re breaking down episode 10 of Supergirl, “Childish Things,” where we discuss Winn and his father, the potential for romance between Kara and Winn, and what Maxwell Lord will do now that he knows who Supergirl is.

This was a huge episode for Winn. We finally got to see him as more than a character with some funny or caring lines. What were your thoughts on this Winn-centric episode?

ALYSSA

I’m someone who appreciates fleshed out characters especially when they’re complimenting the titular hero. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve loved getting to know Kara and having the focus be on her – it should be; this is her show. But for the longest time I’ve felt a disconnect toward Winn. It was because we hadn’t really gotten to know him. We knew he was Kara’s best friend and Team Supergirl confidant, but we hadn’t gotten to know Winn the person. But this episode allowed us to explore who he is as a person while teasing us with more exposition to be revealed. I’ve seen some negativity towards this episode, but this was just the kind of episode that Supergirl needed at this point in the season. Not only did it take what could’ve been a villain-of-the-week episode and make it personal, but it allowed us to learn more about one of the show’s core characters. And Jeremy Jordan was simply outstanding. He brought a real vulnerability in his scenes with his father and scenes with Kara, and I hope that he gets to breathe more in the light instead of the background moving forward.

LIZZIE

Can we have more of them? I went from wanting to hug Winn to …wait, no, that was my default setting all episode: Hug Win. And then just keep on hugging him, because he’s adorable, and my fave, and he was my fave before this episode, but now, it’s like everyone gets it. Everyone can see it.




I like James, I do, but I don’t think the sparks were there. Doesn’t mean I want him off the team, he can stay. I just want Winn to stop being in the background so much. I want him to be more than the guy with the convenient skills. I want more of what I’ve seen the last two episodes, which is a team. And, I really, really want to see his father back. Because he was awesome, and he brought out so much in Winn, and in Kara, and just …yeah, he needs to come back.

LYRA

Absolutely loved it. I feel like they finally gave him the breath of life that he needed to make him relatable and more than just comedic relief. He's proven himself to be a dynamic man who doesn't back down and stands by his actions. Before he was the man that stood behind Kara's side. Now he's the man that stands next to her.
One of the themes addressed in this episode is whether you're destined to become your parents. It's something he struggled with in this episode and will continue to struggle with. Do you think Winn will become his father down the road?

One of the themes addressed in this episode is whether you're destined to become your parents. It's something he struggled with in this episode and will continue to struggle with. Do you think Winn will become his father down the road?

ALYSSA

No. But then I understand where Winn is coming from. To him, here is this man that up until he murdered half a dozen people was a kind and caring man, much like himself. But then one day something just cracked inside of him. Winn saw that, he still remembers it, and he also sees some of the same signs that his father showed currently taking place in him. He’s bottling his emotions up – his hatred for his father and his love for Kara – and it’s bubbling beneath the surface until one day it would just snap. But we saw exactly why Winn won’t become like his father, and that’s because he’s making a proactive choice to not become that kind of person. He’s coming clean about his feelings, including confessing his love to Kara knowing in a sense that he’d be rejected but doing it because he understands he can’t let that kind of emotion build up until it breaks. Plus I don’t believe Winn is inherently evil. He’s the opposite; he’s pure. I think this episode was the perfect example of why you’re not destined to become your parents. You choose your fate. It’s not predetermined. But I like how this isn’t an open and shut case with Winn. He’s still going to be battling with these inner demons until he finally gets to a place of acceptance. And that’s going to take some time. But Winn will prove that he’s not his father. He’s a hero.

LIZZIE

No. I think he will continue to struggle, as we all do, not only with the good and bad parts inside him, but with the question of who he is. But I think that’s normal, human even. Asking him to be completely okay and adjusted when his father is a criminal mastermind is a bit much. And I’d be more concerned if he wasn’t worried about ending up like the Toyman. Just the fact that he’s worried means he cares.
I don’t think evil is in Winn’s destiny, not only because of who he is, but because of who he could probably become in Kara’s life. He’s been her unfailing support, her cheerleader, her partner, from the start, and I think, even though things are a bit awkward now, Kara will be the same things for him.

LYRA

I think he'll never become like his father. Instead of following in that retched man's footsteps he decided to be a better man who spends his day helping people. A part of him will always try to repent for his father's actions as if they were his own. And he'll always have that struggle inside himself. But we know better right? Winn is a good man.

This episode marked the beginning of the Kara/Winn potential romance. Now that Kara knows how Winn feels. What did you think about these two in this episode? And what are your thoughts on these two as a potential couple moving forward?

ALYSSA

I have to admit that I was someone who considered herself fully aboard the Kara/James ship when this show began. It’s what the show was selling and it was appealing enough. But then the prospect of Kara and Winn has legitimately emerged and once again I have to say that you don’t choose the ship, the ship chooses you. This episode was all it took for me to hop aboard the gloriousness that is Kara and Winn. You could write this off and say it was Kara rejecting Winn and putting an end to the romance before it began, but in fact the opposite is true: this is just the beginning.
For the longest time it’s been Winn alone with his feelings for Kara, keeping them inside. Now that he’s come clean about how he feels that’ll force Kara to do the same. Kara has never thought about Winn in a romantic sense before because she’s never had a reason to. Now she does. Now the situation has been brought to her attention and she will examine it for all its worth. From hereon out she’ll have that knowledge in the back of her mind; the potential. Especially now that James is in a committed relationship with Lucy. Kara is now in a position where she can have those feelings because for the first time she’ll think about them. And I’m so ready for Kara and Winn.

LIZZIE

Give it to me, please. Just, not now. Give it to me slowly. Make me want it so bad that I’m screaming at the TV. Right now I’m at the beginning stages of what could seriously be considered OTP syndrome – but I’m not there yet. That’s okay, though. Slow and steady wins the race. The writers can still take me there. With Winn.
Kara and James could have been fine – I wasn’t going to stop watching the show if she got with James, but I don’t think the writing and/or the chemistry were there for me to get all tingly because of their relationship. It was more a good idea than it was ever a great execution, no matter how dreamy Mechad Brooks is. Winn, however? That’s got potential, not only because it goes against every stereotype in the book, but because, even as friends, these two have a lot of chemistry. Written right, this relationship could be special, and I’m very excited to see where this show is taking them.

LYRA

I think it's nothing right now. They're two friends that got their wires crossed. Well Winn got his wires crossed. That scene between them was intense so it's understandable that Winn leaned forward and changed the dynamic between them. The possibility of Kara/Winn happening comes down to where they go from here. They have to salvage their friendship and learn where they stand with each other.

We saw J’onn J’onzz use his abilities to wipe a man’s memory completely clean. What are your thoughts on that and him moving forward?

ALYSSA

It’s obvious that J’onzz hasn’t been fond of using his powers even when he’s had to and there’s a good reason: they’re dangerous. It’s not that he’s evil; it’s just from what we’ve seen with the whole memory wiping his powers pose a threat. It tells you a lot what kind of man he is by his reluctance to use his powers unless absolutely necessary, and in that moment with the security guard he didn’t want to use them, but he had to. J’onzz isn’t a villain because of what he did. He feels an immense amount of guilt for what he’s done. That’s what makes him different from someone like Astra who does evil things intentionally.

LIZZIE

I like that he’s conflicted – that’s what Astra’s missing. She has a reason and she thinks everything’s justified, and it’s not. J'onn clearly didn’t want to have to use his powers, not this way, and the fact that he still did it makes him less of a hero, but not quite a villain. At this point he’s something I didn’t quite expect of him when this show started, and that’s someone interesting. Someone I want more of.

LYRA

It's something that has plagued him before and will continue to do so now. He has become a part of our world and has no desire to hurt the ones he protects. From here on out we'll see J'onn 'Jonzz try to help Kara and Co. without losing himself.

Lucy Lane was offered and later accepted a job from Cat Grant. How are you feeling about Lucy moving forward?

ALYSSA

Honestly Lucy is a character that I’m still indifferent toward. I feel like she’s more filling up space and being that recognizable comic book name that fans know than she is contributing to the show. Maybe that’ll change, and I hope it does. But right now Lucy just exists without a purpose. I mean the show is moving in the right direction by grouping her with Cat Grant, who has evolved into the show’s most interesting and complex characters, but I’m still waiting for Lucy to become relevant in this world (and the same goes with James, who has kind of faded in impact).

LIZZIE

Again, Lucy is just …there. I don’t hate her, I don’t love her, she sometimes wears awesome clothes but that’s about all I can say about her. My investment in her relationship with James is nonexistent, and she really doesn’t seem to click with anyone. I don’t even know what I want from her, because, when she’s not around, I don’t miss her, and when she is I just …don’t care.

LYRA

Is 'ehhhh' an acceptable answer? Why does she have to join the collective at Cat Co.? I actually liked her military background and was hoping to see more of that. Now she's being thrown into Cat & Co. as an obstacle to Supergirl's actions. *insert eye roll* Lucy is unique. Please keep her that way.

Maxwell Lord now knows who Supergirl is. What’s his next move?

ALYSSA

Maxwell Lord is someone who is immensely intelligent and incredibly strategic in everything that he does so whatever he does moving forward is going to be carefully calculated. He isn’t just going to come out guns-a-blazing after Kara. He’s going to keep crafting his plan but is now one step ahead of Kara, Alex, and Hank. Now he has the luxury that the others don’t: time. He has the time to watch Kara, to keep working on his Kryptonian weapon, and he’ll know exactly where to attack when the time comes to it.

LIZZIE

This show has already pulled a few moves I didn’t expect, but nothing quite like Max outsmarting Alex in this way. I mean, I didn’t think she was fooling him, she’s not nearly as good as she think she is, but I also didn’t think they were going to have Max figure out who Supegirl was this early in the season. We still have at least ten more episodes to go. What are they going to do now? Because the dynamic changes completely now that he knows. Does he confront her with it? My guess is not yet – but, at the very least, he will look into her past. And I think Kara’s past has probably more than a few skeletons in the closet, even if she wasn’t the one that put them there.
But, at some point, Max has to confront her. He probably has to confront Alex, too. Maybe he’s even going to pretend to be falling for her act for a while, but his mission is clear. And he is the ONLY one with the knowledge of what/who Kara cares about the most. He’s not stupid. He’s going to use that. Oh, yes he is.

LYRA

Max will be sitting down with a bowl of popcorn to watch his new favorite television show titled 'Supergirl World' starring Kara and Alex. These sisters will experience love, drama, and the occasional almost death scene in the walls of their apartment. Tune in next week where they order pizza and chinese food at separate times but on the same night. What will they do when both delivery boys arrive at their door.
What are your thoughts on "Childish Things?" Sound off in the comments to keep the discussion going!
Join us for another Supergirl roundtable next Sunday.
Supergirl airs Mondays at 8/7c on CBS.

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