Every week, Fangirlish writers will be discussing new episodes of The Flash and sharing their thoughts, feelings, and speculation about the hour’s hot topics in a little something we like to call Fangirlish Roundtables.
Today, we’re breaking down episode 13 of The Flash, “Welcome to Earth-2,” where we discuss how incredible this episode was, the many Easter Eggs that we loved, and the dopplegangers that made this episode unlike anything we’ve seen yet.
What were your overall thoughts on “Welcome to Earth-2?”
This was an episode that was going to be a hit-or-miss for me. There has been so much build-up to this Earth-2, including the touting of the dopplegangers like Killer Frost, that this was either going to live up to the hype or it wasn’t. And I have to admit that this episode was definitely a hit in my book. While The Flash has been subpar for most of this season, these past few episodes – and how they’re building up to this confrontation with Zoom – have been really solid. I loved the storyline and how Barry was our eyes and ears in this world as he posed as his own doppleganger. As a comic book fan this episode was a dream. There were countless Easter eggs – some small, some incredibly huge – that were around literally every turn. And Earth-2 itself was a pretty cool place – aside from the fact that Oliver Queen and Joe West are dead in this world. Just saying.
For about half the episode, I was saying: Oh, this is fun! I love Earth-2! And then, Joe happened, and yeah, I didn’t like Earth-2 anymore. There’s no Flash without Joe West for me. But, if I could somehow forget about that, I’d say Earth-2 was kind of cool. Different. And different isn’t always a bad thing.
Maybe that’s why the episode felt so…fresh. This was almost The Flash of the first few episodes, with a thousand possibilities to discover. But, even on Earth-2, Barry Allen is still Barry Allen and, that’s why the episode ended the way it did – with everyone in danger.
It was one of the shining episodes of the season. Since The Flash is open with it’s meta’s and the fact that the world is made of unique people it has opportunities to explore. ‘Welcome to Earth-2’ was a chance to reflect on what we, what’s out there, and how their world is only going to continue expanding. Depending on the audience reaction to various aspects of this world we might see Earth-1 change in unexpected ways. I for one am I looking forward to all of it!
This episode introduced us to the world of Earth-2. What did you think?
Earth-2 was pretty damn cool. There was a nice retro feel to it, which made me wonder if this is specific only to Central City? If Supergirl is supposed to exist on this Earth, like we were teased with that glimpse, then it would have to be city-specific because Supergirl has a very Earth-1 feel to it. I was definitely impressed with the incredible technological advances coupled with the retro feel. There were little differences here and there that helped differentiate the Earth-2 version of Central City from Earth-1, but there were some of the same places and faces that we recognized. Being able to explore this Earth-2 is a huge deal on a show where a multiverse exists. It literally opens up worlds of possibilities.
Barry’s Mom was alive! But he hated Joe. He had Hal, Diana and Bruce on speed dial! But there’s no Oliver Queen! Eddie was alive! But Caitlin was Killer Frost. So, yeah, I like Earth-2. It was fun. A change of pace. I just don’t want to live in Earth-2. I like my Earth-1. It’s pretty (Less yellowish in hue, but still pretty). It has Olicity. And the Caitlin I like. And yes, some people I’d love to see alive are dead, but …but …there’s Joe West.
Absolutely loved Earth-2. It gave the producers/writers/directors a medium for exploration of a world already loved. It’s basically the grandest way to do an AU and use all those ideas that never really made the cut. It also showed us how the smallest change can ripple across time and the universe. Barry’s mom never died and he never moved into Joe’s home. They never grew to love each other as they worked through Barry’s pain. Instead they ended up hating each other because he took Joe’s baby girl away.
Have to say that the most disturbing aspect of Earth-2 is that Joe and Barry hated each other. I look forward to seeing both of them week after week more than any ship or character on the show. I really can’t wait until they get back to Earth-1.
On Earth-2 we saw dopplegangers for our entire main cast. Who were the standouts to you?
The coolest thing about Earth-2 was getting to see all of the different versions of these characters that we’re familiar with both on The Flash and Arrow. You had our main crew with Barry Allen, Iris West, Joe West, Caitlin Snow, Cisco Ramon, and Ronnie Raymond. Then you had some minor characters, including Arrow’s Deadshot who was so unlike himself it was uncanny. The dopplegangers were a fun way to explore different sides to these characters that could’ve been or could be but ultimately these characters choices in life have made them who they are.
But hands down my favorite dopplegangers had to be the ladies Killer Frost and Iris West. Here you have two vastly different examples of dopplegangers. You have Iris who while different in some regards is still very true to her form on Earth-1: determined, passionate, and with a love for her father and Barry. Then you have Caitlin as the villainous Killer Frost who for the most part is immensely different from her Earth-1 self. She’s a villain, which is far from the sweet girl that we know her to be. But this Caitlin of Earth-2 still very much loves Ronnie Raymond, and as she did in Earth-1 she ultimately loses him. In a weird way Killer Frost is an example of what might’ve happened to Caitlin on Earth-1 had she given into the darkness. That’s what’s really intriguing about these doppelgangers is that you can see the parallels between Earths and how a decision can ultimately affect who they become.
Iris West-Allen being a BAMF. I don’t even care that she was married to Barry, I care that she was a cop, and she was never afraid, even when faced with Killer Frost. I care that she was still funny, still a loving daughter. She was Iris, just, a version of Iris who made different choices, and just as awesome because of them. In fact, I’d even say she was more awesome, mostly because this Iris got the chance to shine her Earth-1 counterpart has rarely gotten.
(But, villainCisco and villainCaitlin were still kinda cool)
Deadshot was the stand out doppelganger. Instead of being this badass trained soldier he was a fumbling fool. He dropped bullets everywhere and couldn’t hit a target a couple feet away from him. Despite all of this he still went with Iris because he was her partner. He might have been a fool but he was a brave one at that. Let’s hope he’s ok and that we get to see more of him in next week’s part two. He fills out that suit quite well.
Back on Earth-1 we learned the truth about how Jay Garrick lost his speed. What did you think about the truth? And do you think Caitlin can find a cure?
I have to admit I was surprised by Garrick’s revelation. I really thought that he was telling the truth about Zoom because he seemed like a noble hero – one that wasn’t selfish enough to try and go even faster than he was already capable of and in turn lose his speed and put his city in danger in the process. In a way it kind of made him similar with Zoom. Zoom is a monster that wants to be the fastest – and only – speedster in any world so he’s resorted to inhumane measures to get there. But at least Jay hasn’t killed or harmed anyone directly when using the Velocity-6 to make him faster. But indirectly he put his city at risk when he lost his speed and his city lost its hero.
I really want to like Jay, but there are just some things – including this – that are not endearing him to me. I feel like at this point they’re essentially setting it up for Caitlin to find a cure for Jay – with her creating these next-edition Velocity speed things. But that doesn’t necessarily mean Jay’s out of the woods. If this disease doesn’t kill him something tells me it’ll be Zoom that does. Come on, we all know that The Flash likes to kill people in their season finales.
Is it weird that the truth made me like Jay about 70% more? My problem with Jay has always been that he’s boring. Too wholesome, too good. Now, it seems I was wrong; Jay Garrick is not all he was cracked up to be. And, for someone who liked the character before, that might be a problem. For me, however? That’s the best thing they could have done. Because now I kind of want to know what happens. Maybe I don’t like him yet, but now I feel like maybe, perhaps, I could. And that’s more than I thought I would say a few episodes ago. Much more.
About the cure, yes. If anyone can find a cure, it’s Caitlin. If something’s going to happen to Jay it’s going to be for a better reason than: Oh, Caitlin just couldn’t do it. That’s not the way it works on TV shows. If you’re going to off a character, you’re going to do it in a way that resonates. So, there’s hope yet for Jay Garrick. I still think he’s not long for this world, but he does stand to leave it as a more interesting character than I expected.
I thought it was kind of lame. I’m still a little confused about how it ultimately happened and I’m not as invested as I should be with his recovery. Not saying that I’m calling his problem lame, just the way it was explained to the audience left a lot to be desired. Caitlin will find a cure and assist in getting Jay back to his world. Once more she’ll find a great man to just lose him in the name of doing the good thing.
There were Easter eggs galore in this episode. Which was your favorite?
Hands down it had to be the West-Allen phone that had the names of three Justice League members: Bruce (Wayne), Hal (Jordan), and Diana (Prince). The fact that Batman, Green Lantern, and Wonder Woman, along with others I’m sure, exist in this Earth-2 opens up so many possibilities down the line. But will the show take them? I doubt it especially considering that they plan on closing the breach to Earth-2 after they stop Zoom. But just knowing that those people out there – along with Supergirl, who we saw is in Earth-2, as well – is incredibly exciting as a fan. But to be fair I wouldn’t necessarily hate it when they do close the breach to Earth-2 because I don’t want to live in a world without Oliver Queen (or where he’s not the Green Arrow) as we glimpsed in that speed cannon an alternate Green Arrow exists.
I think John Wesley Shipp’s version of the Flash, doubly meta considering he plays Henry Allen, was my favorite. I remember that version of the Flash, not well, but on repeats when I was a kid, and though I enjoy this one more, I think it’s cool that they’re paying homage.
That being said, there were so many Easter eggs it was hard to keep track. The best thing about them? They were subtle, and they didn’t distract from the plot at all.
SUPERGIRL! Oh wait did I just shout that. I don’t know how they’re going to do but the Flash/Supergirl is happening and I can’t wait. These two are bubbly goobers who light up the screen with their upbeat and goofy personalities. When they finally meet I’ll probably overload on all the awesomeness. Can you tell I’m excited for the crossover to happen?
The hour ended with Zoom kidnapping Barry and vowing that his prison would be the last thing he ever sees. What do you think happens next?
Barry never gets out and dies, of course. Kidding. Of course Cisco and Wells, along with others it looks like, will help Barry escape from Zoom and save Wells’ daughter in the process. Certainly helps that they’re both in the same place. I definitely foresee come more of Zoom taunting Barry in this upcoming episode before the team finds a way to break in and free him. There’s also the problem of how do they get home? The last we left Earth-1, Jay was working with Caitlin on repairing the speed cannon that broke on their way over to Earth-2. So there’s more than just the problem of breaking out of Zoom’s prison – it’s finding their way home. And I can’t help but wonder if they do intend on closing that breach when they narrowly escape Zoom and return home, what will happen to the people of Earth-2? Are they doomed? Or will Barry attempt to save that world from this monster? I think we all know that Barry’s war with Zoom will only just be beginning in this episode – come on, it’s only episode 14 next week. Nine more to go!
Barry doesn’t die, since the show is called The Flash. I’m gonna go with Cisco/Iris and probably Killer Frost find a way to get him out of there, or find a way to help him get out there. Maybe one that involves Earth-2 Barry (Where’s the poor guy, anyway?). I also think they’ll rescue Jessie, though, of course, not defeat Zoom. Not yet. The Jessie storyline, however, was running its course, and without the threat of Zoom maybe we can get a version of Harry who really and truly wants to help, for the good reasons.
My biggest question in this moment, however, is: Who’s the man in the Iron Mask?
I think Barry is going to bond with Jessie and the mysterious person with the face mask. They’ll work together to pull off some elaborate plan that Zoom won’t see coming until it’s too late. Oh and the guy in the mask. He’s someone they know and someone who is important enough for Zoom to kidnap. Once the masked man is freed he’ll help Barry & Jessie escape. I know Zoom is powerful and has been one step ahead but they’ll find a loophole and someone else from Earth-2 will die. *whispers* Probably Killer Frost.
What are your thoughts on “Welcome to Earth-2?” Sound off in the comments to keep the discussion going!
Join us for another The Flash roundtable next Monday!