The Bachelor was back this week with too many contestants, at least one of whom we would gladly never hear anything from ever again. Yeah, you know we’re talking about Victoria.
In this week’s roundtable, we talk about whether anyone has stood out so far, whether being “the villain” of the season is ever worth it, and how much we’re not looking forward to more ladies being added to a season that is entirely too full already.
We’re a couple weeks into The Bachelor now. Have any of the contestants become frontrunners for you yet? Are you rooting for any of them to go the distance? Or are you just adding more names to your list of contestants who really need to leave right now, immediately, yesterday, if possible?
Lizzie: Bri, girl, what were you wearing? If I remember your name just to be able to say that, that’s not truly a compliment. I remember Marylynn too, poor dear. And Lauren, vaguely. It feels like there’s always a Lauren. Anyway, no, I don’t care enough yet, except for the people I need to see gone, like Victoria.
Lyra: Like other seasons and spin-offs, I don’t remember their names until weeks in. Sometimes longer. And I know I’m not the only one because the show continues to show us their names, week after week. I see youuuuuuuu. Also, Sarah is kind of cute. I think that’s her name. I think she struck a cord with Matt.
Jade: I don’t know if I’m really rooting for anyone yet. Some of the contestants are absolutely insufferable and just need to go. But most of the contestants are just somewhat…forgettable at this point. I know Marylynn because I feel bad for her. I recognize a few others when I see them, but I doubt I could tell you their names. Or the first thing about their personalities.
Erin: I am not rooting for anyone really, I feel like they are all hot messes with issues that need to be addressed. I don’t even know their names, because all of them are forgettable and quite frankly – unimpressive. I don’t care enough about any of them to have an opinion. Though I will say that Marylynn – I just feel bad and meh for her. I know her cause I have feelings of feeling bad for her.
Let’s talk about “The Queen” and this week’s scandal with Marylynn. Was she just making a play to get rid of some competition, or did something go down that wasn’t shown on camera? What do you think of how Matt handled the situation? How quickly did you get tired of Victoria’s “Queen” act?
Lizzie: Typically if something goes down that could go on camera, it will go on camera – unless it makes Victoria look better when the producers have already decided she’s the villain of the season, which, like, considering what we did see, seems unlikely, right? And yes, this could be part of her plan, but boooy …has she watched this show before? The plan might get her notoriety, but it rarely gets anything else. Truly, there’s rarely been a case where the villain of the season seems to be someone who is so eager to claim the spot as Victoria. Is she trying to get on my last nerve? Because she’s certainly managing, let me tell you that. And Matt is part of the problem.
You took her freaking word for it, Matt. It’s too early in the season to be falling for this shit. And Marylynn was really trying to go above and beyond in the being a good human thing. You want to choose the villain? Just be ready for the consequences.
Lyra: On one hand, Victoria and her Queen bullshit are getting on my last nerve. On the other, this is the kind of garbage that I can’t help but watching because it’s so pointless that I don’t have to use actual brain power. Sometimes you just need that in life and Victoria is there to deliver!
Jade: Does the villain of the season ever win these things? Seriously, I’m asking. I don’t understand the benefit to seeing yourself up to be the villain of the season – and, yeah, I’m sure a person can be insufferable and not know it, but Victoria totally has to know it at this point, right? Sure, her name’s getting out there, but not in a good way or a way that people would want to, you know, follow and/or support in a way that you continue making sweet, sweet money when the show is done. What is the point?
Maybe there’s something going on there that we didn’t see, but I can’t imagine even the full story would change the narrative of “Victoria had a personal problem, took the nuclear option to address it, and wasn’t about to have a grownup conversation about it after.” I guess it’s good that Matt tried to listen to both sides – which is a little different than how Tayshia initially tackled a similar situation in her season. (Does something like this happen every season? Again, I’m genuinely asking. Because if so, how is it handled this badly by everyone…every…single…time?)
Erin: Is it possible to really hate someone you don’t know? Cause Victoria – I hate. Like i feel gross watching her and also, I feel like she’s potentially turning off all sponsors of her future career as a wannabe Instagram influencer. It’s quite sad. I mean if Cruella needs an understudy… she’s got a future.
I just feel like she’s the villain and that’s kinda sad, because who knows if she really is or if that’s what producers made her to be. She’s just flat out annoying with horrible fashion taste.
The contestants supposedly started to open up and show their “depth” to Matt this week. Did any of their stories resonate with you? Did what they shared change your feelings towards any of the women?
Lizzie: One of my least favorite things about this show – especially the past few seasons, as they have nowhere to go and no other way to try to get things to happen organically, is this push for emotional vulnerability, and how it seems like people get brownie points for it. It’s absurd, because some people might find it easier than others, and I know the whole point of the show is to connect, but when it’s been like a week, judging people on how open they are being seems absurd, to say the least. Open up in front of MILLIONS OF PEOPLE or you could lose the chance at ….me? Sorry Matt, but you’re not worth that.
Anyway, obviously, when they share we like them more because we know them more, but I hate how contrived it all is, and the push to do it or be cut.
Lyra: Honestly, it’s a hot mess. But what else are they going to do besides open up to Matt about who they are to increase their chances of having the one-on-one dates? Times a ticking and vulnerability needs to be show before it becomes the Victoria show. Oh wait, isn’t it already?
Jade: Like Lizzie, this push for emotional intimacy and vulnerability thirty seconds after meeting rubs me the wrong way. But I’m gonna be honest. I mostly asked this so I could point out that Victoria was twisting herself into knots patting herself on the back about how she showed Matt how “deep” she is. I’ve seen greater depth in puddles during a drought. But, sure. We’re moved by your “depth,” Victoria, and that totally outweighs the myriad reasons you annoy us every time you’re on screen.
Erin: I am turned off by it. I feel like I get why they are trying to get them to a place that doesn’t come organically and the fakeness of it all is annoying. I don’t like that they are trying to prove that these are “real” relationships, when they aren’t. They don’t move that fast. There is no real “depth” here. It’s all just annoying.
What did you think of the challenge this week, of wedding photo shoot / capture the flag paint challenge? Did either part of the challenge teach you anything meaningful about the women involved?
Lizzie: Hire me, please. I can come up with better quarantine challenges that might actually spark conversation, which these …and especially the capture the flag challenge, wasn’t going to. Like, I understand you still want people to look good and all, for the cameras, but we’re not watching for that. Trust me, about 97% of your audience is women.
Lyra: The challenges this week were as creative as the fireworks after a date. But I did enjoy watching them take awkward photos before slapping each other in the face with paint. Wish they would’ve hit Victoria…again…and again.
Jade: Oh, my husband demanded I plan the perfect wedding and then immediately participate in a gloveless, no-hold-barred boxing match with five girls he knew in college before he would agree to take me on a date. What, that isn’t normal?
Erin: These producers are horrid and forcing things that shouldn’t be forced just yet. I am turned off by all these quarantine things and I feel like they don’t know their audience. And I am over it. Like hire better and more imaginative producers.
From trailers, it seems that more women are going to be added to the show soon. Why? Are more contestants needed? And, also…whyyyyyyyy?
Lizzie: Hopefully because a bunch of them were like …this is too much and this wishy washy dude is not worth it so I’m out? Too much to ask?
Lyra: Noooooooo more contestants. It’s already long enough and now they’re going to add more? Please, make it stop!
Jade: The only thing I know about 99% of the people currently on the show is that they exist. So if they’re going to add more contestants, is it too much to ask that everyone wear a name tag each week? If I don’t know who they are, I guarantee Matt doesn’t either. Pretty please?
Erin: To be honest, I don’t like Matt and I thought I would. The Bachelor needs better contestants.
The Bachelor airs Mondays at 8/7c on ABC.