Lucy’s mom showed that Rittenhouse is more important than her daughter. Do you think this relationship can ever be repaired? Is there any redemption in the cards for her? Will Lucy ever forgive her for what she was forced to do to convince Rittenhouse that she was on their side?
Lizzie: Can it? Maybe. Will it? No. Carol Preston is taking Moira Queen and doing an evolution worthy of a Pokemon. There’s no going back not after what she did, even if Lucy does love her, even if Lucy will probably always will. Because there’s some shit you just can’t forget, and your mom forcing you to kill a man to prove your loyalty to a shadowy-organization feels like it’s one of those things.
That doesn’t mean Lucy won’t waver, I think she will. I think she’ll struggle with this, because this is her mom we’re talking about. But I don’t think the show intends to do half-assed redemptions, no. Carol Preston is the bad guy, or in her eyes, the good guy, and she’s not coming back from that. That’s part of what makes her such an interesting character.
Alyssa: When Lucy gave her mother the opportunity to prove her love and loyalty to her daughter, she chose to betray her for a “greater cause” in Rittenhouse. Lucy is heartbroken and shattered and feels completely abandoned. It’s a mother’s job to love and protect their children. And Lucy’s mom has betrayed that trust in a way that, right now, feels like it can never be repaired. But if there’s one thing television and stories have proven to us, it’s that redemption is always possible. That is, if the person truly wants it. Perhaps Lucy’s mom wants to do it the right way. Take down Rittenhouse from the outside as a way to help her daughter. Or perhaps Lucy’s mom has no intentions of being loyal to anyone but Rittenhouse. The thing with redemption is that it’s not black and white. You can’t look at someone and say, “They’re not redeemable.” Well, to a degree. But in this situation, Lucy’s mom has a choice to make. She has to want to do it for her daughter. But also for herself. In the end, I don’t know if Lucy’s mom has what it takes to be loyal to her daughter. But if Lucy’s mom did prove her loyalty for her daughter, I feel like Lucy would certainly forgive her for the things she was forced to do when pretending to be loyal to Rittenhouse. But if she doesn’t? Sigh.
Erin: I will never forgive Lucy’s Mom and I think she’s a piece of crap. Yes, I went there. You never put anything before your kids.
That being said.
What if she has to in order to ensure that her daughter survives. But then why doesn’t she care about her other daughter? Like what is happening here? It doesn’t matter – I will forever hate her.
Lyra: Timeless likes to go for the unexpected. I expect Lucy to forgive her mom. I expect the mom to go on a redemption arc. So that’s why I think Timeless will go for the complete opposite. Lucy’s mom sat back and did nothing as Lucy was forced to kill a man. What if that changed Lucy? What if she can’t see her mom anymore and feels broken? And Lucy’s mom, she choose Rittenhouse above her own flesh. There’s something dark in someone who does that and I hope they make Moira Queen look like a schoolgirl in comparison.
Sarah: I’ll be straight, before repairing that relationship can start, forgiveness needs to come first. Carol lied to Lucy her whole life, and when it came down to it she couldn’t pick her daughter over a literally evil organization like Rittenhouse. It’ll take a lot to forgive that, let alone start repairing it. Is it possible? Maybe, but given what’s happened in the premiere alone I am not banking it on it. On top of it I think Lucy deserves way better in a parent. That being said, redemption for Carol will only happen if she chooses it. I am not counting on that happening, but this show has an ability to surprise me in unexpected ways over and over so I could be wrong. Either way I hope that one day whether Carol chooses Lucy over Rittenhouse or is an idiot and stays with Rittenhouse Lucy can find peace with herself at what she had to do to “prove” her loyalty while in Rittenhouse’s clutches.
Lariel: I don’t believe for a moment that Carol actually loves Lucy. I think Lucy was born out of obligation to Rittenhouse. And there are some things that you just cannot forgive.
Bex: Lucy has a good heart, and family is important to her. I don’t see her giving up on her mother so soon. It wouldn’t surprise me if Lucy keeps trying to convince her to change and be on the right side of history. Even if she’s doing this all season, until her voice is raw and she can’t cry anymore. Lucy’s too stubborn to let one moment end it all – even if that’s how it feels right now.
Sadly, I wonder if the only way to really fix this is a reset back to a dying Carol when (yes, WHEN) Amy returns. Of course, I hope a timeline without Rittenhouse and with Amy back could also somehow mean a healthy Carol who never turned her back on her daughter(s). But perhaps the way it was pre-Hindenburg is simply the way it should go back to. If any resets are even possible.
Kayla: I doubt forgiveness will come easy – or at all. Carol chose Rittenhouse over her own daughter. Putting myself in Lucy’s shoes, I can’t imagine being able to forgive that. But, anything is possible. I figure it could take a bit of time. Could they do redemption? Maybe? With this show showing that they’ve tried to sway people before to not go with Rittenhouse and failing – Lucy being the exception here – that I doubt full redemption can happen. Redemption arcs only work if the character they are trying to redeem wants the redemption. Carol doesn’t want it. Can Lucy get past that she willingly killed a man to try to prove to her mother she was on her side? With help – absolutely.
Also – when I see Carol – I also see Moira Queen – a much harsher version. Once I realized it was the same actress – I had a feeling this woman was up to no good. Just like Mrs. Queen – I doubt Carol Preston – who is much harsher and has done much worse than Moira ever did can be redeemed. Just the aspect of betraying Lucy like she did makes me dislike her very much.
Shadia: I think it’s going to take A LOT to repair it. Lucy’s mom siding with Rittenhouse was a slap in the face to Lucy, not only that, it was really heartbreaking for her to lose her mom like that. I think the trust is broken right now, and the crossing paths with each other will be painful. It’s like Carol has committed herself 100% to Rittenhouse and only Rittenhouse and has no room for Lucy anymore. I’m not sure about forgiveness at this point, though.
Marta: Whoops! Kind of mentioned it in my last answer. I think if they decide to redeem her it’ll be through a sacrifice that will ultimately cause her death. I like to think there was a little moment of doubt through that scene with Emma and Lucy where she almost picked Lucy. But then again, she seems awfully interested in not bringing Amy back, so I’m not exactly sure how deep the evil blood runs within her.
Luci: While I want to believe that there might be some kind of redemption for her, Carol Preston has burned all possible bridges when she forced her daughter to kill an innocent man and especially when she turned her back on her daughter. No, wait. Scratch that. When she didn’t immediately try to defend Lucy by all means necessary when Emma had her gun trained on her ONLY daughter.
Nope. She does not deserve any redemption and I hope she suffers a painful death.
McKenzie: I don’t know. How can you forgive someone that blantaly says to your face that the cause is more important than you, your child? That moment right there in my eyes sealed the fate between Lucy and Carol. I can’t ever see Lucy getting over that. I know I wouldn’t.
Emily: Carol does seem to have some moral dilemmas she needs to work through. She loves her daughter, but she’s also got a weird family tradition that she pledges her allegiances to. Which side is she going to choose? I think that will be another interesting layer to watch unfold. I wondered before from the previous timeline that set up the series, how did Carol come to be with the man who was Amy’s father? Was he Rittenhouse? Because the Amy that we got to know from that timeline was pretty much encouraging Lucy to follow her own path and not her mother’s. And from the fact that Carol asked Emma to do everything she could to make sure Amy never came back into existence, Amy is probably a cog in the Rittenhouse machine. It makes me think the coma Carol might have been one who tried to reject the Rittenhouse legacy. If that’s true, maybe she can make a turnaround at some point. But, I’m okay with the Carol that pushes Lucy more towards making a family with the Time Team.
What happens now? Where does the show go from here? Will we see Jessica again now that Lucy and Wyatt are getting closer to each other? Is Lucy ever gonna get Amy back? Will Rufus ever see his family again?
Lizzie: Well, the show goes full steam ahead with Lyatt, that seems certain. But, that, of course means, we’ll get Jessica back. I remember a conversation I had with Alyssa about this right after the pilot, and I remember it very vividly. We saw the signs then, we knew what they were going for, and we were sure that, once Lyatt got together, that’s when they were gonna bring Jessica back. And this is one of those instances where I hate being right. But, since I trust these writers so much, I believe she won’t be brought back to just be drama for the sake of drama. I believe she’s most likely Rittenhouse, and the team will figure it out, but not before Wyatt chooses to be with Lucy, because that’s where his heart is now.
As for Amy, my answer is, sadly, not soon. Hopefully this show gets the seasons it deserves, because the Amy game is not a short game, and they really, really need time to get to a place where she could come back.
This is also my answer for Rufus, sadly. There’s no advantage to telling his family he’s alive, not now. As much as it hurts, for now, they must continue to think he’s dead, at least till they fix the Rittenhouse problem.
Alyssa: The amazing thing about Timeless’ epic season 2 premiere is that this show can go anywhere and everywhere moving forward. The scope of that premiere opened the doors to a larger conspiracy, opened the doors to evolved relationships, and teased us with a plethora of astounding twists and turns. The thing that Lizzie and I haven’t stopped talking about since early last season has been the inevitable return of Wyatt’s wife Jessica. It’s something that you just know is going to happen. And even though you know, it’s still going to hurt like hell. It’s obvious that Jessica’s return will happen when Lucy and Wyatt feel like they’re in a good place — as they’re getting started romantically.
Then Jessica will reappear and ruin that, among other things (there’s no way Jessica isn’t working for Rittenhouse.) As far as Lucy and Amy, Emma said that she made it impossible to ever get Amy back. But I find that pretty hard to believe. I just don’t foresee Lucy getting Amy back anytime soon. It’ll be a multi-season journey for that arc. But I feel like Rufus will see his family again, just perhaps not in the immediate future. There’s an incredible threat in Rittenhouse and they know the way to control people is to use those that they love against them.
Erin: I don’t think that we will ever be able to outrun the fact that Jessica will return eventually. She’s going to come back and she’s going to come back at a time where she is able to ruin everything for Wyatt and Lucy. That – I am not okay with. But at the same point, that’s good TV. That’s good drama. I’m concerned about Amy ever coming back – I think that she will. I think that she’s going to come back at a point that it’s going to cause Lucy the utmost pain and then she’s going to lose her again. And with Rufus, I think that there is going to be a lot of time before he sees his family. Why? Because we haven’t learned enough about them yet. And so we’re going to learn more and watch him suffer, before it gets better.
Lyra: Lucy and Wyatt are going to get closer right before Jessica makes a grand return. Wyatt being the honorable man he is, will seek answers from his thought to be dead wife. It will cause a chasm to form between the Lucy and Wyatt. The fact that they’re homies won’t stop them from working together but the romance will be on the backburner. As for Amy and Rufus family…it’s going to be a long time before we see them again. These are the consequences of what they must do to stop Rittenhouse.
Sarah: There’s so much that I want to have happen, it’s hard to pick at all. My first thought is the Time Team will go full steam ahead in taking down Rittenhouse and disrupting their sleeper agent plan throughout history. As for our characters, I am one hundred percent Jessica is going to show up at the worst possible time for Lucy and Wyatt, because I ship those two till the end of time. I don’t like that trope, but for the first time (ever) I trust these writers to not drag it out or screw it up and stay true to these characters and make Lyatt more epic than ever. To make it clear even if/when Jessica shows up, Wyatt in the end will choose Lucy. I have every faith in that from how well written both their characters and relationship has been so I’m going to sit back and enjoy the journey these two are on.
Rufus I want so badly for him to see his family again, and the same for Lucy with her sister Amy. My guess is that if either or both (please be both), happen it’ll be towards the end of the season when Rittenhouse is dealt with. Amy though, I know it’ll depend if they can find out what the hell Emma did to “make sure” she never comes back. Both of them have been separated from the people they love because of Rittenhouse, it seems only fair they’d get to see them again. Before all hell breaks loose because that’s storytelling for you.
For everyone, I’m just excited to see all of these characters grow from their new circumstances and fight, because the stakes are so high it makes every moment more meaningful than before.
Lariel: Of course Jessica will be back. She’s Chekov’s gun, and you don’t introduce her in the first place without the intent to really use her. What I worry about is that they will return Amy in some way that Lucy cannot recognize – Carol 2.0, so to speak. And I really fear for Rufus’ family. Rittenhouse has already shown it’s not afraid of collateral damage.
Bex: I loath to add to it, but yes. I think Jessica will return, somehow, this season. Whether physically, or just the ghost of her causing angst. I’m not too worried, though. IF Jessica does return, she won’t be the same Jess who Wyatt married. She’ll be changed somehow, perhaps because she’s part of Rittenhouse, perhaps because he’s had all these years without her and neither are the same person anymore, perhaps because their relationship was actually rockier towards the end than Wyatt’s let on and both were falling out of love. He’s been letting go, he’s been moving on, and he’s in love with Lucy now. He’ll always love Jessica, but I’m confident Lucy’s nestled so deep in his heart that he’ll soon realise she’s his present/future, and Jess is nothing more than his past.
With Amy, I hope she doesn’t return anytime soon. I like the angst more than I should, and with Emma now having made Lucy more determined I hope this angst continues. The return of Amy seems like the end of the series to me. So let it happen, several seasons from now when the story is coming to its natural conclusion, but not just yet.
As for Rufus, my heart breaks for the fact his family thinks he’s dead. That they likely would have had a closed-casket funeral for him and said their goodbyes, and he has to go through the days knowing this, unable to reach out to them. Perhaps Agent Christopher or Connor Mason can do something about this.
Kayla: I do think we will probably see Jessica – yes. Cause of course just as soon as Lyatt begins to happen and be happy – they throw a wrench in it with some angst. What better than the thought dead wife? How will they do it? Who knows? This show has surprised me in many ways.
As for Amy – I can see it being a long game kind of thing. But it’s possible with a major time reset. I need more angst from this particular story – and as Bex said – I can definitely see it as over all show arc kind of thing. Let it be part of Lucy’s happy ending.
And Rufus – poor Rufus. His mom and brother think he’s dead! Will he ever get to see them again? I sure hope so!! His family deserves to know that he’s alive!!! Just it will probably be something done as a over all show arc. Part of the happy ending.
THAT’S WHY WE NEED RENEWAL – AND LONGER SEASONS – THESE STORIES HAVE POTENTIAL!!
Shadia: I feel like whenever a show brings up a character’s significant other that passed away, and we never got to see it happen, they will find someone way to give us that wild plot twist and revealing that they’re actually alive. Especially when they’re about to bring friends closer into a more romantic relationship. So, yes, I think Jessica will be back but who knows where Wyatt would stand at that point! I don’t think Lucy will see Amy for a while now, but I’m trying not to lose hope here. As far as Rufus, he’s gonna have to ‘come back from the dead’ for them which will be a hard thing to go through for them. I just want these three to be happy!
Marta: I think Jessica coming back will be a clear obstacle in the Lyatt path, but it’ll only help them be a stronger ship. Hopefully, Jessica is some kind of Rittenhouse agent, or isn’t all together the same Jessica that Lyatt remembers, so despite trying his hardest to make his marriage work –it’s what he’s supposed to do, according to him– Wyatt will eventually realize that that’s not his future anymore, that Lucy is. It seems like an obvious way to go, bringing Jessica back, but it provides for the best and most nail-biting angst any shipper could wish for, so I am both scared and excited!
I hope Lucy gets Amy back eventually, but I think that might not be the focus so much this season. It will still be a large part of Lucy’s motivation, but it will fall in second, giving what’s going on with Rittenhouse trying to take over the world and whatnot.
And Rufus deserves everything. There, I said it. He deserves to get his family back, he deserves to have a nice, tranquil life where Rittenhouse isn’t threatening every part of his existence and he deserves to have a safe Jiya with him at all times. Just give it all to him. Let Rufus be happy 2k18.
Luci: Well, as far as TV tropes rules go, as soon as Wyatt finally moves on and decides to jump head first into a relationship with Lucy, they will most likely pull the rug from right under their feet and bring Jessica back from the dead. It’s just how TV works.
That said, god, I hope Lucy gets her sister back. The poor woman has been through so much and basically lost everything. Give her a break and please let her have Amy back. If they can resuscitate Jessica, they sure as hell can bring Amy back.
As for Rufus, while I definitely want him to have his family back, letting them know he is alive and well would only put a target on their backs. So until they put this thing to rest, I’m afraid Rufus will have to wait a little longer for his family reunion. For their own sakes.
McKenzie: Rufus will see his family again, as soon as this threat from Rittenhouse is taken care of. I know Jessica is coming back, Matt Lanter said it in one of his cast interviews. However, she doesn’t seem to be listed as a recurring character. My theory is still that Jessica has always been Rittenhouse. She never died and is one of the sleeper agents. It’s the only thing that makes sense to me. Lucy and Rufus were chosen by Rittenhouse to be on the #timeteam S1, why wouldn’t Wyatt. Also, Flynn acknowledged in a previous episode in S1 that they had found blood at the scene that they couldn’t find a match too. I’m assuming that Flynn got this information from his NSA contacts he said he still had. As we know, NSA had many members of Rittenhouse as agents. They could have easily fed Flynn and Wyatt false information. If my theory is correct, there is no way that Wyatt wouldn’t stay with Lucy. He is loyal to a fault and would see her being alive as a betrayal.
As for Amy coming back it all depends on what Emma has actually done. Did she say those things to just hurt Lucy? How can the #timeteam find a way to figure out to undo her changes in history if she did? They obviously have a horrible relationship. The banter between these two gives me life. Especially in S2 E1 when Lucy calls her “promotion to evil step-sister”.
There are a lot of places for our characters and storylines to go. We have only just begun the sophomore season. The way that they have written and developed these characters has so much more room for growth and changes. They have done an excellent job.
Emily: I’m not threatened by Jessica returning. As I said before, I think Lucy and Wyatt will be end game. I do wish to see Lucy and Wyatt happy together for a short while before (that I suspect) Wyatt will be forced to be secretive to Lucy about Jessica. As for the rest of the crew, I like that they are all holed up together in a bunker, forced to share space all the time. It makes for a funny and interesting set up between the characters. How has their reality changed? Being only allowed out to go to the past. Will they have any idea what’s going on in the outside present day world?
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